we're not going to advance a conservative free enterprise agenda in washington without the kind of grassroots of the tea party movement. this divide right now could be crippling for the party that the big beneficiaries of it could be barack obama and the democrats. >> particularly if you get third party candidates who split the conservative right leaning vote. then that would help perhaps the democrats take back capitol hill. so, kim, how bad do you think this divide is? can you put it back together? >> it's awfully hard because part of the problem here, look, this shouldn't be such a big deal, in that ideologically, there isn't necessarily a huge split out there. there isn't a single conservative who don't all despise obama care. one of the things that happened as a result of this is guys like ted cruz, they took what was, in fact, a strategic divide in the party, and they suggested it was an ideological divide.